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Do you think Aliens have religion?
#21
(01-31-2011, 03:26 AM)dojo Wrote: I sincerely hope they don't. There's nothing worse for us humans than religion or maybe the fact we cannot tolerate others' beliefs. We've waged wars and done unspeakable things to fellow humans in the name of a god or more.

I am in total agreement here, religion is the biggest cause of war.

I believe if aliens do come to earth they will be rather intelligent and come here to be peaceful - learn and teach.

I believe if we do mention religion they will be shocked at the history of it, religion is far from peaceful - growing up in a catholic school I can honestly say that that is my opinion! (Now remember the word Opinion please - YOU are entitled to disagree!)

Though on the other side they may have some principals that religion teaches but does not practice - such as Peace, and love thy neighbor etc.

Would be interesting I must admit.
Sorry If I offend I do maintain this is my opinion, and Religion is highly controversial so my opinions will not please everyone - Please Do not Hate me! Tongue
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#22
(01-30-2011, 11:23 AM)Xeo Wrote: IMO And I'm a jew, Everyone should do what's best for themselves.
I believe in god, but I do not let the Torah dictate my life.

I believe that religion exists not only as a means to believing in a higher power but more for the sake of creating order in our lives. For some, religion creates relief and comfort from the troubles of life. for others, religion stands as something to be feared because once you're a believer, you signed a contract to obey every little rule that exists in your religion.
So, Laurie is right to be offended by anyone who tries to make her believe something she doesn't know or care about in the first place.
and Wally, well, wally is right to believe(for himself), but shouldn't preach.
Personally, I have Atheist friends, moreover one of my best friends was highly religious and suddenly one day he decided to step out of the closet, so to speak and become gay and atheist. I don't have a problem with either views of life.

Live and let live right?

About outgrowing religion, I think it depends on what road the community wants to take. it is certain that a community based on technology and advancement will someday abandon religion and maybe develop some other "code of conduct" but a community that is based on family and friendship and other aspects of human life, might have an existing religion but not all of them will believe in it. As I was saying before, Religion provides comfort, for many and maybe not for all, but it does for some.

~Xeo

If there was a rep system here I would definitely have given you points for that wise and intelligent post! Smile

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#23
(01-31-2011, 04:27 AM)houseofhaunt Wrote: Though on the other side they may have some principals that religion teaches but does not practice - such as Peace, and love thy neighbor etc.

I think it could be put in an extreme way: Religion can be something good and often is, but the constitutional religions has often been misused. The church for example has done bad things or not prevented many horrible things.
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#24
I believe that they do have some form of religion, just not as influential as it is here on earth. For many people, religion affects almost everything they do in life. I doubt it is the same way on an alien planet.
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#25
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Tazeden Wrote: I would give you rep, Wally Smile
Laurie, I don't believe a society, a healthy society, can actually outgrown religion. Religion may lose its edge how we saw over centuries on earth, but I don't believe it can or should vanish in any forum of higher society Smile

I have to disagree on this one! Why cannot a healthy society outgrow religion? Isn't that just what has been happening over the last few centuries. Maybe it's a safer assumption to assume that if a civilization has developed enough cooperation and ingenuity to travel across the seemingly infinite expanse of space then that civilization has probably adopted a scientific view of the world. Religion arose in our world as a substitute for science, as answers to the questions we couldn't comprehend. As we have developed further increasingly less of the world's population believes in any form of organized religion. Now if an alien civilization has developed enough science to conquer the dilemma of interstellar travel, I believe their scientific progress would be advanced enough to dispel any primitive religious beliefs that may have developed. Smile
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#26
(11-05-2012, 12:58 PM)Stingray Thompson Wrote:
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Tazeden Wrote: I would give you rep, Wally Smile
Laurie, I don't believe a society, a healthy society, can actually outgrown religion. Religion may lose its edge how we saw over centuries on earth, but I don't believe it can or should vanish in any forum of higher society Smile

I have to disagree on this one! Why cannot a healthy society outgrow religion? Isn't that just what has been happening over the last few centuries. Maybe it's a safer assumption to assume that if a civilization has developed enough cooperation and ingenuity to travel across the seemingly infinite expanse of space then that civilization has probably adopted a scientific view of the world. Religion arose in our world as a substitute for science, as answers to the questions we couldn't comprehend. As we have developed further increasingly less of the world's population believes in any form of organized religion. Now if an alien civilization has developed enough science to conquer the dilemma of interstellar travel, I believe their scientific progress would be advanced enough to dispel any primitive religious beliefs that may have developed. Smile


I think that you both have a point here. Stingray, you are of course perfectly correct, in my humble opinion. If a civilization is so advanced as to be able to traverse the universe/s, they could not possibly be so naive as to believe in a religion, any religion.

But I think what Tazeden meant was that society, however advanced, does need some moral guidance. This doesn't have to, nor should necessarily come from primitive religions tho. One's own moral sense of guidance and values should be sufficient to lead a wholesome life. However, belonging to, or feeling that one belongs to a community, such as a religious group, may help some to feel that they live in a more cohesive and moral society.

Many, many folk are able to live their lives with good and wholesome morals, values and principles, that they adhere to, without having to resort to religious rites, traditions and dogma. One doesn't need to pray. It's just a ritual, a tradition. And, even if one felt the need to pray, one doesn't have to attend a Church, Mosque or Cathedral, in order to do so. What's wrong with 'wherever one is?'

We now know that there are other dimensions, other universes alondside our own. This is scientific fact. I believe that we were visited, in the dawn of time, by other worldly inhabitants, other parallel dimensions inhabitants, other universes inhabitants. Naturally our Ancestors saw them as Gods, and humanity was swept up in the wake of these events. We see it still today, with primitive tribes that have recently been discovered. Some even worship replica's of Airplanes.
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#27
(01-30-2011, 05:51 AM)Laurie Wrote:
(01-30-2011, 03:23 AM)Tazeden Wrote: Laurie, I don't believe a society, a healthy society, can actually outgrown religion. Religion may lose its edge how we saw over centuries on earth, but I don't believe it can or should vanish in any forum of higher society Smile

Why? You don't believe that a person can be good, have good morals and principles of their own volition, without some 'deity' tells them how to behave? Do people really need this crutch?

Moreover, you really believe that a 'Deity' who says this could be a mentor for humankind?

Quote:Kill Men, Women, and Children
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT
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...or this...

Quote:The Angel of Death
My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB
)

Or, how about this?

Quote:where you were created, in the land of your origin, I will judge you. I will pour out my indignation upon you, breathing my fiery wrath upon you, I will hand you over to ravaging men, artisans of destruction. You shall be fuel for the fire, your blood shall flow throughout the land. You shall not be remembered, for I, the LORD, have spoken. (Ezekiel 21:33-37 NAB)

This was a Warmonger (these wars were all 'turf wars'), and this so called god was capricious, racist and murderous. I was raised without the crutch of religion and I think my reputation speaks for itself.

yes, my brother is an idiot.

He goes around declaring wars against invading species. (non DNA marked)- He cannot declare war against man any longer. It is forbidden for him to return to Earth. Those records are indeed true - no matter if its in religion style or not.

I cant believe people called him 'Lord' lol.. what a joke. But I understand though - high technologies used in the old days were like magic to the humans.

You have records everywhere about our acts. I know that sometimes records do get altered over time. But, trust me - he will no longer harm the Earth. I'll make sure that he doesn't. Far as I am concerned; he can stay away from me also.

Any identified invading species which comes to earth are immediately shot down upon entrance to this solar system. They steer away from us - as this solar system is under quarantine act. (This is why all of our ancient technologies were wiped from the earth - you will not FIND any trace of it except the ones accidently buried in stone)

-Druid
Believe it or not.
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